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FGV traces Brazil's high neutral rate to public spending, not abroad

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Institution
Fundação Getulio Vargas – Brazilian Institute of Economics (FGV IBRE)
Author
Silvia Matos, Caio Dianin, Samuel Pessôa
Country · language
Brazil · Portuguese
Affiliation
Private foundation research institute

Summary

In an 18-page study in the September macro bulletin of Rio de Janeiro-based FGV IBRE, announced on its blog on 1 October 2026, Silvia Matos, Caio Dianin and Samuel Pessôa recalculate Brazil's neutral interest rate. The neutral rate is the real interest rate that keeps inflation stable while the economy grows at its potential pace. Using 2 different methods, the authors arrive at estimates ranging from 6.7% to 8.1% between 2024 and August 2026, with an average of 7.5%. That is about 2.7 times the 2018–2019 average of 2.8% and the highest of the periods examined.

The authors recall that the policy rate rose to 10.5% in September 2024 and to 15% in June 2025. The 1-year real interest rate was 5.9% in February 2024 and has at times exceeded 9.5% in recent months. Even after deducting country risk as measured by 5-year CDS, the interest rate gap between Brazil and the US has risen above its level during the 2014–2016 recession. By contrast, the neutral rate the New York Fed calculates for the US sits in a 1.0–1.5% band, the same place as in 2018–2019.

The paper's central thesis follows from this comparison: if nothing abroad is pushing rates up, the causes must be sought at home. In a model based on Pessôa's earlier work, the risk of a sudden collapse in emerging economies, which CDS does not capture, prevents capital flows from closing the interest rate gap. Beyond a certain point the economy behaves like a closed economy. Real interest rates are then set by domestic demand, and public spending becomes decisive. The authors show that federal spending rose from 15% to 19.5% of GDP between 2003 and 2016. During the spending cap period, by contrast, rates fell to historic lows for 3 years.

Blind spot

What the West misses: the global debate ties emerging-market rates to the Fed and the dollar. This reading shows with figures that in Brazil the burden lies with domestic fiscal policy, not with a US neutral rate stable at 1.0–1.5%. Weak spot: the war-driven oil shock, the currency risk premium and expected depreciation are left out of the model, as the authors themselves acknowledge. The conclusion also sits close to a line of commentary critical of the government's spending policy.

Talay assessment

Bottom line

The study frames Brazil's high interest rates not as a temporary monetary policy choice but as a structural equilibrium produced by fiscal policy. If the US neutral rate is stable at 1.0–1.5% while Brazil's has risen to 7.5%, a lasting cut by the central bank looks hard without spending discipline. The most likely course is for real rates to stay high for an extended period.

Likely effects

  • Brazil's public debtNegative6 months+

    A neutral rate around 7.5% keeps rollover costs high and makes interest expense one of the heaviest items in the budget.

  • Emerging-market rate debateUncertain1–6 months

    It offers a yardstick that puts domestic fiscal policy ahead of Fed-focused analysis. The same method could be applied to other economies where country risk has fallen but rates remain high.

  • Lesson for TürkiyeUncertain1–6 months

    In Türkiye too, real rates staying high while CDS falls could signal a rise in the neutral rate driven by domestic demand and public spending, as in Brazil. This would limit room for rate cuts.

Possibilities, ranked

  1. 1
    Extended wait at high real rates55%

    There is no marked tightening of the spending rule, real rates stay far above the historical average, and estimates hover around 7.5%.

    Watch: The neutral rate update in the Central Bank of Brazil's next monetary policy report

  2. 2
    Gradual easing with a fiscal anchor30%

    The government announces a new fiscal framework limiting spending growth, expectations are re-anchored, and room opens for rate cuts.

    Watch: Whether the 2027 budget law holds primary spending growth below potential growth

  3. 3
    New tightening after an external shock15%

    A sudden break in global risk appetite triggers the collapse risk the authors describe, and rates rise again.

    Watch: A sharp deterioration in Brazil's 5-year CDS premium and the real against the dollar

Probabilities are calibrated judgement based on the sources, not measurement, and are revised as new information arrives. Not investment advice.

Original publication: blogdoibre.fgv.br · 1 October 2026

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